I’m collecting here some of the data collected by the wider group on FaceBook. This is to an extent an unordered collection awaiting further study.
Onesimus (1722-1802) married Wilmot Sanders (1724-1796) (father John) in Chumleigh in 1744.
They had 11 children.
One was Robert (1757-1862) who married Rachael Burgess in 1781
Moved to Chittlehampton by 1781
John Scoins (abt 1750) stayed in Chumleigh
Children of Onesimus and Willmott
Paula has: children as Wilmot born 1746 died
1746, Susanna born 1748, Jane b 1748 d 1753, John b 1750, Wilmot b 1754 d 1755,
Robert b 1757, Grace b 1759, Bartholamew b 1761, Sabastian b 1761 d 1779,
William b 1763, Mary b 1765 d 1799, James b 1770
Robert of 1757-?? had a son Robert 1785-?? married to Rachael Burgess, who in turn had a son Robert of 1820 - Paula's tree. She confirms.
0 Onisimus Coines 1720 m Willmet Sandars on 27/1/1744
0.1 Wilmot Coines 1746-1746
0.2 Jane Coines 1748-53
0.3 Susannah Coines 1748
0.3.1 John Coines 1777
0.4 John Scoins 1750-1828 m Grace Turner 1754-1874
0.4.1 Grace
0.4.2 Elezabeth
0.4.3 Jane
0.4.4 John 1787 m Elizabeth Rowe 1787-1864 (see John 1789)
0.5 Willmot Coines1754-1755
0.6 Robert Scoins 1757 m Rachael Burgess 1757-1814 (see Robert 1820) -> Paula
0.7 Grace Coines 1759
0.8 Bartholemew 1761
0.8 Sebastin Coines 1761 1779
0.10 William 1763
0.11 Mary Coines 1765-1799
0.12 James surname?? 1770
DJS: I cannot reliably connect the 1788-1873 John
Scoins who married Elizabeth Rowe back in time, though maybe to the 1750 John
who married Grace Turner.
Paula: John b 1750 married Grace they had a son John b
1790 who married Elizabeth Rowe. They had 8 children. Thomas b 1827 married
Mary Vicary they had 4 children Fredrick b 1863 married Hattie Summers. They
had 3 children. This is my line
DJS: Wonderful, Paula;
thank you. I have [3] Thomas 1827 with five children: Emily 1854-1906, Alfred
1858, Frederick W(illiam?) 1862-1906, John 1864, William Henry 1866. I have
family for William Henry, married to Emma Capenter (later Carpenter), and
their six children. For [5] I have confused william and thomas; one of
them is the father of the other. So Mary Ann fits between John and Thomas or
between Thomas and William? Hard to tell.
Paula: I
only have 4 children for thomas and mary (didnt know abt alfred). I have mary b
1855, fredrick william my great great grandfather d 1906, john b 1846, henry b
1867. Henry married emma carpenter and had 6 children. Arthur fredrick florence
william lucy and harry.
My great great grandfather fredrick married hattie summers they had three
children alfred b 1888 ida b 1891 and elsie b 1893 she married abraham barnett.
Alfred my great grandfather married mary Broughton in south africa and they had
3 children
I think mary ann fits between John and William
DJS: Great. Thanks. I can't find record of Susanna's birth in 1748, but she bore John Coines 1777, still in Chulmleigh
DJS: My discoveries for Thomas 1827 and Mary Vicary are: Emily 1854-1906, Alfred 1858, Frederick 1862-1906 (tracking your data there) John 1864 and William Henry 1866. I found a baptism for Alfred in 1887 in Bristol, Mother Hattie Maria Summers. This couple then show in the 1891 census in Barton Regis, but in 1911 Hattie is shown as having remarried to Henry Newton about Feb 1910, showing Ida May Scoins and Elsie Emily Scoins present. Of William Henry's children, I have the fifth as Lily 1900 not Lucy and as yet no extensions to their tree - but I'll get there. Thanks again for the help and the counter-checks.
Paula: Paula ScoinsYou have given me a new
mystery because I didnt know about alfred b 1858. Can find him after the 1881
census though.
Hattie (summers) did remarry a henry newton
Probably right abt lily not lucy. I know arthur married maud skuse and they had
a least one son douglas jack who was in the raf and sadly died during the war
5) I found a Mary Ann Scoins marrying Thomas
Westacott - any idea which Scoins is her father?
Paula 5. I have a mary ann scoins b 1820 daughter of john and elizabeth rowe marrying
a william westacott
Tim Perott 20141121
I’d known for some years that there was a document at the Devon Heritage Centre (formerly the DRO) regarding Onesimus Scoins and family, but until the parish registers confirmed the link to my known ancestors, I hadn’t looked into it any further. I’m now wondering if anyone in this group has seen that document and/or knows what it contains. I’ve seen the description on TNA’s Discovery (formerly A2A) site which gives the basics, i.e.,
"Chulmleigh Parish -> Overseers of the Poor -> Removal Orders -> Onissimos Scoins, Wilmot his wife and Susanna 14, John 12, Robert 5, Grace 3 and Bartholomew 1, their children to Chittlehampton" [Reference: 4678 A/PO 3/27; Date: 1762]
However, this pales in comparison to the amount of detail that the catalogue provides for Settlement Examinations – for example, this case from Chulmleigh in 1763:
"Chulmleigh Parish -> Overseers of the Poor -> Settlement examinations -> William Risby, white smith -> Now in Chulmleigh, he was born in Bradford and lived there with his parents until he was 12 when he apprenticed to John Nottle of Holsworthy for 7 years to learn clockmaking and gunsmithing, he served for a year after his apprenticeship expired as a journeyman and then went to Mr Smale in Barnstaple for 10 weeks, then to Mr Arnell in Launceston for 6 weeks, he then went to Sheepwash and worked to himself for 6 years as a clock maker and gun smith, then he came to Chulmleigh and has continued to work for himself." [Reference: 4678 A/PO 2/6; Date: 1763]
As far as I can tell, none of the names on Removal Orders match up with those on Settlement Examinations, although I’d have thought that an examination would be needed before sending someone to another parish. So I’m wondering if Removal Order documents might include examination transcripts, even if they’re not explicitly mentioned in the description.
If anyone has seen the Scoins’ Removal Order, or better yet, has a copy or a transcript of it, perhaps we can confirm whether or not ‘our’ Onesimus was the Nanscoyne child baptized in Clawton in 1713. Alternatively, if anyone lives in or near Exeter, perhaps they'd be willing to look up the record and see what it contains. Thanks!
While a scan of the document would be an interesting artifact, I doubt that it will shed any more light on the family’s origins or activities prior to 1762. I’ve therefore decided not to order a copy for the time being. Besides marrying in Chulmleigh (in 1744), all 11 of Onesimus’ and Wilmot’s children were baptized there; interestingly, the last three children were baptized *after* the Removal Order was issued, suggesting that it may not have been enforced too vigorously. Onesimus, Wilmot and most of their children do appear to have relocated to Chittlehampton by 1781, although my 4xgreat-grandfather, John Scoins (born abt 1750), remained in Chulmleigh and raised his family there.
Tim Perrott 27 November 14:00
Perhaps this has already been discussed and I've just missed it, but is there any consensus on when and where Onesimus' wife Wilmot/Willmet Sandars was born? Looking through baptisms on the FindMyPast site, the best candidate (IMO) I've found so far is Wilmott Saunders, baptized in Thornbury, Devon on October 25,1724, the "base child" of Ann Saunders. This would make her 46 years old when their last child, James, was baptized, which I think is close to the upper limit for childbearing, at least based on my own family. And I think it unlikely that she was born very much later, given that she married in 1744. Thornbury isn't all that close to Chulmleigh (about 27 miles along modern roads), but is only 6 miles from Halwill, where Elizabeth Nanscoyne was married, so I think she could be a contender. Does anyone have any other suggestions?
Tim Perrott 17 February 18:55
Two potential candidates for Robert Sanders marriages in Chulmleigh:
- Robert Sanders m. Jane Skinner May 7, 1716
- Robert Sanders m. Mary Anstis July 22, 1723
Not finding any Jane Sanders burials in the 1716 – 1723 period, I suspect that there were two Roberts, rather than one who remarried after his first wife died. Either couple *could* be the parents or Wilmot, although I’d lean more towards Robert and Mary, who married a year before Wilmot’s baptism.
Paula Scoins Just for info. My dad is michael scoins. His dad alfred fj scoins. Alfreds parents were Alfred and Mary Scoins. Alfreds parents were Frederick and Hattie Scoins. Fredericks parents were Thomas and Mary Scoins from Chulmleigh. His parents were John and elizabeth scoins. His parents John and Grace Scoins. His parents Onissimos and Wilmot.
David Scoins 12 June 2015
Numbering to assist in replies:
1) Please can I have confirmation of the children of Onisimus as Willmet 1755-55, John 1750-1828, Jane 1753-53, Wilmot 1755-55, Robert 1757-?, later Scoins, Grace 1759-??2) I think that the Robert above had a son Robert 1785 -??, who married Rachael Burgess and had a son Robert 1820 with a fairly well-defined tree following.
3) I cannot reliably connect the 1788-1873 John Scoins who married Elizabeth Rowe back in time, though maybe to the 1750 John who married Grace Turner.
4) I can't quite connect the Robert that married Ann Dennis (and hence the Nottingham branch), since he confuses with another Robert marrying Mary Main; there seem to be two Roberts 1783 and 1785 in almost the same place.
5) I found a Mary Ann Scoins marrying Thomas Westacott - any idea which Scoins is her father?
I'm interested in anything that goes further than a guess. No hurry at all.
6) I'm a little surprised to not have some mail telling what what is wrong on my website versions of family trees - I'll get around to updating in the next few weeks. I can export GEDCOM files, but the software I'm using doesn't read what I've created and then downloaded from FMP. I may fix that, too. Suggestions (for Apple users) welcomed.
Paula Scoins 1. I have the children as Wilmot born 1746 died 1746, Susanna born 1748, Jane b 1748 d 1753, John b 1750, Wilmot b 1754 d 1755, Robert b 1757, Grace b 1759, Bartholamew b 1761, Sabastian b 1761 d 1779, William b 1763, Mary b 1765 d 1799, James b 1770
2. Yes this is what I have.
3. John b 1750 married Grace they had a son John b 1790 who married Elizabeth Rowe. They had 8 children. Thomas b 1827 married Mary Vicary they had 4 children Fredrick b 1863 married Hattie Summers. They had 3 children. This is my line
4. Not sure
5. I have a mary ann scoins b 1820 daughter of john and elizabeth rowe marrying a william westacott
David Scoins 12 June 2015 at 20:48 · Edited ·
Wonderful, Paula; thank you. I have [3] Thomas 1827 with five children: Emily 1854-1906, Alfred 1858, Frederick W(illiam?) 1862-1906, John 1864, William Henry 1866. I have family for William Henry, married to Emma Capenter (later Carpenter), and their six children. For [5] I have confused william and thomas; one of them is the father of the other. So Mary Ann fits between John and Thomas or between Thomas and William? Hard to tell.
Paula Scoins 12 June 2015 at 21:22 ·
I only have 4 children for thomas and mary (didnt know abt alfred). I have mary b 1855, fredrick william my great great grandfather d 1906, john b 1846, henry b 1867. Henry married emma carpenter and had 6 children. Arthur fredrick florence william lucy and harry.
My great great grandfather fredrick married hattie summers they had three children alfred b 1888 ida b 1891 and elsie b 1893 she married abraham barnett.
Alfred my great grandfather married mary Broughton in south africa and they had 3 children
I think mary ann fits between John and William
David Scoins 12 June 2015 at 21:28 ·
Great. Thanks. I can't find record of Susanna's birth in 1748, but she bore John Coines 1777, still in Chulmleigh.
David Scoins 12 June 2015 at 21:55 ·
My discoveries for Thomas 1827 and Mary Vicary are: Emily 1854-1906, Alfred 1858, Frederick 1862-1906 (tracking your data there) John 1864 and William Henry 1866. I found a baptism for Alfred in 1887 in Bristol, Mother Hattie Maria Summers. This couple then show in the 1891 census in Barton Regis, but in 1911 Hattie is shown as having remarried to Henry Newton about Feb 1910, showing Ida May Scoins and Elsie Emily Scoins present. Of William Henry's children, I have the fifth as Lily 1900 not Lucy and as yet no extensions to their tree - but I'll get there. Thanks again for the help and the counter-checks.
Paula Scoins You have given me a new mystery because I didnt kjow about alfred b 1858. Can find him after the 1881 census though.
Hattie (summers) did remarry a henry newton
Probably right abt lily not lucy. I know arthur married maud skuse and they had a least one son douglas jack who was in the raf and sadly died during the war
Julie Scoines 13 June 2015 at 17:20 · My Nigel is descended from Robert & Rachael (Burgess )
Jacqueline Appleby 13 June 2015 at 17:29 · I am desended from Robert and rachael xx
