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158 - Future vehicles - cars

Generally, expect vehicles to become lighter and engines to be more efficient as the emphasis shifts towards fuel economy. Expect handling to be generally good from overall better design. Resistance to motion will continue to drop. In-car entertainment will continue to improve (something to do while stuck in traffic). A shift towards economy means we’ll be keeping the car emptier (to keep weight down and consumption good). Emission figures will be better than 100 [g per km; equivalent to 64mpg for petrol and 74mpg for diesel vehicles] (tech radar, see foot). Of course you’ll have wifi, not just for radio, but traffic avoidance, toll charges, locating charging points). Of course the car will collect all sorts of information (and imagine the price to make it not provide that to others). Collision avoidance will continue to improve (cameras, sensors) and/but this will surrender more driving to the auto(matics). Indeed, many predict the autonomous car to be the future. Even less fun to driving, then – maybe this is what it will take to make us do self-powered movement again?

Question: what is the cost of a re-charge?

Charging an electric car is seriously cheap at the moment of writing. For a typical pure electric car charged from flat to full, the cost could be as little as £0.96p depending on tariff, but it's very unlikely to be more than £3.40. And that's for 100 miles range.

Beginner's guide to electric cars - TheChargingPoint.com

If electricity costs $0.11 per kWh and the vehicle consumes 34 kWh to travel 100 miles, the cost per mile is about $0.04. If electricity costs $0.11 per kilowatt-hour, charging an all-electric vehicle with a 70-mile range (assuming a fully depleted 24 kWh battery) will cost about $2.64 to reach a full charge.     5 Jan 2015    Charging Plug-In Electric Vehicles at Home - Alternative ...


Electric cars 'to cost more to run than petrol vehicles'  By Samantha Fenwick  bbc site

DoT financial support for chargers stopped April 2014/ A typical electric car is around £8k more, but UK.gov gives you £5k grant and help to install a charger at home. Bad news though is that putting the charging services out to tender produced £7.50 for a half-hour ‘rapid’ charge. That works out as equivalent to £5.85 per gallon at 50 mpg [DJS, based on content]. This is penalty charging; the cost of charging at home is more like “2p per mile” (£1 per gallon on 50mpg) provided you don’t count the cot of the charging unit. I see that such a figure doesn’t agree with those up the page, but it gives a basis for comparison.

Zeroto6010 suggests: that travel time would be recovered as leisure or work; that inter-car spacing would be greatly reduced (higher traffic densities are possible); that far less (road) policing would be required; fewer accidents. See a wide range of sci-fi books for these and other ideas, like power in the road,  or driverless cabs. ¹¹

More extreme would be paying a fee for transport when you need it. Not unlike the Bristol zipcar service where you hire a car locally, once driverless cars are accepted, you’d use it like a cab service and summon a vehicle. You would not necessarily own your own (so to speak). That presupposes that commuting also diminishes for a segment of the population. This too has been long predicted by sci-fi writers.

So your next car is likely to be a hybrid – two power sources. Next I’ll look at other alternatives.

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Mike O’N pointed out that: There's clearly a medium term arbitrage running an electric car as most transport tax is in fuel consumption which you won't see. This will need to change at some point as fuel duty is such a significant income generator.

Two certainties in life: Death and taxes. Of course he’s right. Right now it is attractive; before it is the norm ‘we’ will be charged for having changed.

Unlikely concept vehicle by GM/Segway, the EN-V (envy?)


E-tron A3 1.4 diesel turbo plus electric and flywheel. FWD. 0-60 in 7.9. electric range 30mi but charging via plug [2:15 ; 4:00]1, brake regen(eration of energy) and coasting. From £30k; ~90mpg (?). best electric car 2015. extra weight 125kg. Possible range 584 miles. Attractive proposition. I decided I couldn’t justify the expense. Audi promise an electric hybrid Q7 2015/6.

i3 top pic.

VW Golf GTE 1.4l petrol turbo. plus electric. FWD. 0-60 in 7.6. Lots in common with Audi e-tron electric range 22mi. >£28k. >180mpg (unlikely?) extra weight 120kg

i8 1.5l 3-cylinder petrol turbo. plus electric and flywheel. FWD. 0-60 in 4.5. electric range 22mi but charging via plug, brake regen and coasting. From £100k. >100mpg Modes: Comfort, Eco Pro, Sport. Butterfly doors.

Tesla Model S all-electric, front and rear driven separately (dual motor all-wheel). 85kWh. 0-60 in 4.2 secs (the middle model). Self-parking. Top Gear S12e7  Hammond’s review 201407. 80kWh battery at best (=> a range of 300 miles). Charge under an hour (like while having a meal, if the charge point was available). £50-83k depending on model. 2021. James May less enthusiastic: 2837 plus, 6 minus, he said.

Tesla Model X. SUV Dual Motor All Wheel Drive and brilliantly functional Falcon Wing Doors. These doors fold up and out of the way allowing easy access to the third row seat, even from the narrowest of parking spaces.

My original  note to myself (an auto-note, note) mentioned the Fisker, which I omitted. The Karma is a £72,000 hybrid 2 litre petrol turbo. Luxury. 50 miles on battery. 0-60 in 5.9 using both power sources. A heavy car, but drives lightly. Production stopped in 2012. a  b  c Company now offering the Thunderbolt, (right) based on the idea of an Aston Vanquish: probably a limited edition model.

Edit 20210105: the Aptera  Wkipedia, website, facebook. A 'never charge' vehicle. May be available in 2022, so 2023 in Britain. Might well be the style of my next car. With Tesla-standard batteries and so little weight/drag, 1000 mile range becomes possible, and at that point, anywhere in Britain is within reach, charging only at home.

1 [charge point time ; domestic charge time].   Want a powerpoint presentation? Here's mine:--->

2 http://www.topgear.com/uk/bmw/i3/road-test/driven


3 http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1405_future_cars_2015_and_beyond/#__federated=1  useless for this purpose.

4 news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/9369542.stm

5 www.forbes.com/.../what-will-the-car-of-the-future-look-like-answers-are-in-the-data/

6 http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-future-of-cars-looks-very-different-1419272398

7 www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_charging_home.html

8 www.thechargingpoint.com/beginners-guide.html

9 http://www.techradar.com/news/car-tech/future-cars-what-will-they-be-like-1075100

10 http://www.zeroto60times.com/2013/06/what-will-future-cars-be-like/

11 http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20131108-what-will-we-be-driving-in-2050

12 2019 edit https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-is-dying-and-this-is-how-it-will-end/?utm_campaign=citylab-daily-newsletter&utm_medium=email&silverid=%25%25RECIPIENT_ID%25%25&utm_source=newsletter

edite 2020: from CityLab;  The Life-Saving Car Technology No One Wants 12 August 2020, 13:00 BST.

America’s roads are getting safer if you’re inside an automobile, and more deadly if you’re outside of one.

Technology can already block inebriated drivers from starting their vehicles and prevent them from accelerating well in excess of the speed limit. Under certain conditions, there are also systems capable of slamming on the brakes when cars are on a collision course for bicycles or pedestrians.

[M]ore Americans died in car crashes during the four years following World War I than were killed in combat in France, a fact that was widely publicized at the time.

[D]rivers can be compromised in many other ways... Such conditions manifest themselves in [...]  behaviors that can be detected by driver monitoring systems (DMS). “I’ve seen prototypes of DMS that have levels of accuracy measuring cognition that are better than any breathalyzer,” 

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1248431&start=80 from ScifiGeek, here’s where we can use 100kWh. of course, we don’t make that efficiently.

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